"I love that you frame it as the world's greatest con because I felt this way forever," he says. "We're folk scientists in the way that people had learned to farm and rotate crops years before we understood anything about, what is it, nitrogen fixing or, or punnet squares [or cross breeding] Those are recent additions just in the last few centuries That validated what intuitively farmers figured out from grandpa, grandpa wisdom, right? So, likewise, you have this whole branch of the arts in magic where it's highly rigid and specific in its instructions."

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