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CNLP 546 | Mark Sayers on Future Cultural Disruption, The Church in Ten years, The Overton Window and How to Cultivate a Non-Anxious Presence The Midst of It All

The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast

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I'm a Pastor and I've a Gift of Not Having a Feel on Me

"I am wired differently than most pastors," he says. "If you start taking shots at me, it just hurts less than a lot of pastors I know" He writes that there are many leaders who go through tremendously painful things and can't lead because they feel so strongly. But actually have a real contribution to make because they can relate to people who do feel that change.

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Speaker 1

That's the thing

Speaker 2

like there are also and then it's not even them trying to, I don't know even how to explain this. But it's just so the whole sentiment behind why this bill was even created in the first place. I don't think there's a rational reasoning behind it. You know,

Speaker 1

I'm not as brave as these folks. You know, I have to say that like a lot of people think I'm brave for living in China. I feel the exact opposite. I live in China because I am not brave. I experienced a lot of violence and criminality in the United States. And it was scary. Sadly. And so I can't sometimes be in certain situations where I felt threatened and things and certain times of the night and stuff. And I moved to China and that fear is gone. I don't think about it. So I'm actually here because I am a total chicken. So when I this wonderful living in China, I could walk around, I was walking around this morning at like 4am outside. I went to the gym. It wasn't spy stuff. So I, you know, I like to go to the gym because I'm fat. I go when no one's there. So no one's like, look at that fact I working out. But no, what my point is, yeah, my point is that I'm here in China because I feel safe. And these and people who are currently living in Texas in other places in the United States where anti Asian violence is skyrocketing, they are feeling

Speaker 2

less safe.

Speaker 1

So I actually absolutely I feel for them because if I was a foreigner like I am here in China, and I felt unsafe because I am a foreigner because they were having foreigners because foreigners were being hit in the back of the head with the brick while they're walking down the street, I certainly would reconsider whether I wanted to live here. And so I feel very bad for the people in the United States who came on Goodwill because they heard good things about what life is like in America. And you know, like a lot of things in America are pretty cool.