I like to meet a founder and then be super excited about what they're doing and move quickly not force quickly but I do my diligence and kind of keep the momentum up. Right now back to the ingestion in the market I've been having a harder time both Dave and I are finding things we're excited about because it feels like there's like traffic jams all over the place. Keep folding until I've got the right hand, that's how poker analogy works for me. i'm really open on when I meet founders sometimes I meet them at pre-seed and I don't do pre-seed so it's a great way to track and stay in touch and I get to see what they

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