The Macrina's of the World

The Macrina's of the world in their cool utopian alternative communities are within the Roman Empire, which is being defended by this like gigantic military machine. So you can't argue for abolishing slavery maybe in that context unless you want to abolish what is understood to be civilization. The question of usury is another interesting one because the idea that money lending is non-Christian is kind of established in this time,. But it's going to take the Protestant Reformation to reverse that when Christians are going to go, we're literalists about the Bible, but it's okay to let it. We're going to call it charging interest, but it’s okay.