On this episode of The Jon Gordon Podcast, I sit down with my good friend Mac Lake for an honest, funny, and deeply meaningful conversation about faith, leadership, and purpose. Mac shares his journey from a shy kid in a tiny West Virginia town, to becoming a pastor, leadership developer, and the father of chart-topping Christian artist Brandon Lake

We talk about the setbacks, faith steps, and even awkward dating stories that shaped Mac’s life, the surprising ways God weaves together our stories, and the keys to building a strong marriage that gets better over time. Mac offers practical, eye-opening leadership wisdom, like the “learning, growing, mastering” model for developing teams, why investing in yourself unlocks your potential to invest in others, and how to lead with both skill and spirit (plus, he shares the simple-but-powerful system for one-on-ones you need to try).

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