Is Magic Magic Real?

There is this gray zone between actually believing that Isis or Mother or Haya Hoska or, you know, the machine. And on the other hand, them just not existing at all and just being complete fictions,. Just like stories people might tell would be fun, but have no relevance to the real world. But then there isn't, isn't the, sorry, it's in trouble. Isn't the central thing that makes magic magic, the question about like, is this real? Because it feels like it, talking about trick, like tricksters and tricks and surrealism is a whole.