Dividend discount model is also a form of cash flow model. So if you get the dividend paid, you take this 496, I would like to see a return of 10% in generally as a discount rate. And then I expect in this case, I expect a 6% dividend growth rate on average, let's say over the next 10 years. But what is also still good to know their return on invested capital is still like 14 or 13%. so there's still like a healthy business generating shareholder value.

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