The History of Brainwashing

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The word brainwashing and the word deprogramming are still part of our vernacular. The history of it is all muddled and weird and Ted Patrick's still alive. I interviewed him, uh, he's in his nineties. He only wanted to talk to me about a pilot having a freak out on JetBlue. So even now he still believes he's the man that should do this.

In this episode we sit down with Megan Phelps-Roper, the author of Unfollow, a memoir of her time in Westboro Baptist Church, and an exploration what it took to convince her to leave. I interviewed Megan for my upcoming book, How Minds Change, and in this interview you will learn all about assimilation and accommodation, cult deprogrammers, and the steps Megan says one must take if they want to change someone's mind.

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