Faith Matters cover image

147. Bittersweet - A Conversation with Susan Cain

Faith Matters

00:00

The Garden of Eden Is Inseparable

LZ Granderson: I think Rumi had something similar that he said, don't think for water be thirsty. And then, and then the other one was nourish me, not with love, but with a desire for love. Both of those just felt so, just, just so accessible. LZ: If longing is the problem, then it's hard to push that away. But when you lean into longing,. then it's just, it's always right there. You know what else you made me think of? Somebody posted something on Instagram or someplace about how she'd grown up in an evangelical church; now she likes live music more than religion.

Transcript
Play full episode

The AI-powered Podcast Player

Save insights by tapping your headphones, chat with episodes, discover the best highlights - and more!
App store bannerPlay store banner
Get the app