"i defy you, and we can put in the show notes the moment. To see that and not just have your breath taken away," Curtis says of Geiger's apology during her murder trial. "If sex abuse has occurred under your watch, or if you've been found to have enabled sexual abuse through, for example, gross negligence,. like we've seen in some institutions, you can be forgiven for that." But is a, but should you be relieved from the consequence certainly not a consequence in justice for the i victims? she asks.