When you pushed back on their proof of life, you were tying them in knots to some extent and they got confused for something. And did you pay money? Did you pay a ransom? You know, I don't think we had nothing to do with whether or not. There was no evidence whatsoever that anyone paid anything for Steve and his cameraman. The kidnappers just found themselves in a position where they, it was bad for them to continue to hold those two hostages and they needed to get out of it. So they find a face saving way to make a deal and let them go.

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