I remember just being like the level of intensity for a practice in July. Then I remember in 2018, in a training camp, Greg Popovich had just taken over as the head coach. We got to watch huge swaths of practice. And he was, he did this thing that was like from grade school. He would put him on the line at the end of practice and if you didn't make the free throw, you had to run. That's what we called suicides when I was a kid.