Is the Universe the Ultimate State of Consciousness?

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I would say from a contingency point of view, I want to know how many ways does the universe build structures. And if you have two different origins of life and then origins of intelligence and then these things become conscious, surely you want to go and talk to them. It might be that we're just unable to conceive of what they're going to look like. So I think that Neil is just, I don't know, maybe, you know, I mean, give a shit that's really down on Earth, right? How would anyone else categorize humans do you think?"

Sara Walker is an astrobiologist and theoretical physicist. Lee Cronin is a chemist. This is a conversation and debate about alien life and alien civilizations. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(07:47) – Aliens
(21:53) – What is life?
(29:35) – Assembly theory
(52:03) – Math
(1:03:45) – Communication with aliens
(1:28:38) – Evolution of the universe
(1:37:56) – Creating alien life
(1:45:29) – Origin of life
(1:52:29) – Before the Big Bang
(1:59:22) – God
(2:09:39) – Goal-directed behavior
(2:27:37) – Time
(2:35:54) – Free will and imagination
(2:51:06) – UFO sightings
(2:56:06) – Alien life forms debate
(3:11:14) – Robots
(3:20:29) – Love and emotion
(3:38:55) – Beauty in science
(3:49:06) – Random questions
(3:58:30) – Advice for young people
(4:01:48) – Life on Earth
(4:06:12) – Memory