Born in Cameroon, Africa, Marie Mbouni felt a calling toward healing and was initiated into iboga at the age of 14. Ultimately she would go on to pursue her education in Canada and the United States to follow the Western medical route as an anesthesiologist. After years in this profession, Marie realized it did not fully align with her vision of healing and embraced a new career as a shaman, energy healer, and mentor. In this episode of the Third Wave podcast, Marie talks with Paul F. Austin about energy intelligence and altered states with and without medicine.