i do know that most recently, when we hit that horrible milestone of 750 thousand deaths in the united states, which is already under count. And that that really shook me v here, to know that that number did not have to grow. That number continued to grow in the absence of vaccines at a rate that was very troubling. But i will say that listening is actually more effective than you think. It never seems good to try to disgust fears with anger and condescension. People don't make good choices when they are bogged down by those sentiments. I am 100 % positive that her work in this space has saved lives, full stop, rather not full continue.

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