Introduction

Ahmed: I think we don't realize how really entrenched we get into the corporate world. And what often holds people back and what often is a struggle is the fact that that has now become so ingrained, it's hard to step outside. He says he resisted all the corporate structure when he was there and didn't let it condition him. Ahmed: You have way more expertise here than I do. So I'm going to be keen to hear your take on this because your time in corporate was much longer than mine.