The Pessimistic View of the War in Ukraine

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It's hard to imagine a real end of a conflict, even after this terrible phase of fighting ends. The best case scenario is a resounding Ukrainian victory as Ukrainians succeed in expelling Russian troops from the territory. But it would still be very imaginable that Russia would reform and recall less its troops or wait until there's a military or political opening before trying again. There are also long-term reasons why this war is being fought: empowering minorities in Russia to revolt and creating additional political instability within Russia.

Tim Mak is a writer, reporter, and founder of the online publication The Counteroffensive. He was formerly the Washington Investigative Correspondent for National Public Radio.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tim Mak discuss the slow progress of Ukraine’s counteroffensive and how a big breakthrough might come about; how the collective experience of resisting Russian aggression has contributed to a shared sense of Ukrainian national identity; and what the future may hold for a post-war Ukraine.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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