Outro

Anthropic’s chief executive Dario Amodei discusses the risks of an A.I. bubble and said that the industry’s enormous spending could backfire. He describes the “cone of uncertainty” that exists around A.I. spending as his company must manage the risk of spending either too much or too little.

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