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Ken, just while we've got you, yesterday's big story on Newscast was the police officer who shot Chris Cabba in his car in South London two years ago, being found not guilty of murder. That started a big political conversation, or amongst some politicians, about whether the prosecution should ever have been brought at all because it's just kind of not fair to subject an armed police officer to that kind of scrutiny when they're just just doing their job what's your take on whether the case should have been brought to court or not well

i haven't seen the case paper so i can't make a judgment on that but i i can respond to the idea that we should either not prosecute ever police officers in this situation or or make it harder to bring prosecutions or indeed as some people have said have special courts for them you know in France the gendarmerie or a regiment of the French army our police officers are not soldiers they're citizens in uniform as we like to say and I my strong belief is that they should be subject to the same law and system of justice as anybody else. And I think public confidence demands that. Imagine if there was a higher standard applied for bringing a prosecution against a firearms officer when someone had been shot. The impact that could have on public confidence, particularly in communities across the country. So I think I think we should we should subject the police to precisely the same system of justice. Of course, when you're prosecuting a firearms officer, which very rarely happens, but when you are, you as a prosecutor have to take into account all those things which make his case special. The fear he's probably feeling, the stress of the situation, the need to make split second judgments, the danger, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And all that should be factored into the prosecution decision. So in a sense, all the things that they would want to be taken into account should be if the decision making is being done properly and appropriately, which is why it is so vanishingly rare for police officers and particularly for firearms officers to ever face prosecution, because the particularities of their situation are obvious and well understood. But no, they should be dealt with under the same system of justice as the citizens that they're policing. And I think public confidence demands that.