Unreal Design as Catalyst

Anthony Dunne and Fiona Raby use design as a medium to interrogate our relationship to reality. They are the authors of multiple books, including 2013’s Speculative Everything and 2025’s Not Here, Not Now. Until recently, they were professors of Design and Social Inquiry at The New School where they ran the Design Realities Lab. In this conversation, Jarrett talks with Dunne and Raby about how their new book expands upon and responds to their previous work, how their practice has evolved over the last ten years, and why they don’t like calling themselves speculative designers. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/274-anthony-dunne-fiona-raby — Help support the show by joining our Substack: surfacepodcast.substack.com