i love to hear about how impressive people have thought about designing their lives and careers. This is a special episode that deby made to celebrate pride month. Long time listeners of design matters will know that over the years i've interviewed a lot of gay men and women. I've always been interested in hearing how some one has negotiated their sexual identity in a world that is not always open to it. While i'm gay, i didn't come out until i was 50. Ten years later, i'm married to a woman and more comfortable in my own skin than i've ever been.