South African rugby team has done better than many institutions. But there's a real divide here that those successes you see at the national level seemingly coming at the cost of the sport at the local level. The idea that you can combine racial reconciliation with excellence is central to the spring box popularity in South Africa and also its image outside. This came to a Zenith at the 2019 World Cup where Kaleesi, this black player from Zwede, this poor township in Port Elizabeth, he's hoisting the trophy above his head.