Taiwan, the time when these people have determined that they want to be democratic, I still say that whoever controls in the end of the South China Seas will control things like the Internet. Are we going to keep it free for the exchange of information and commerce? Or are we going to hand control to a regime that is plainly intent upon dominating the region? So what does Australia do then, John,. because Australia has got very rich with Chinese investment, with Chinese buying your products, buying your minerals. How do you break away from that, can you? Well, only by ... We must not wish the Chinese people ill, and that trade's been very important to them. It's helped

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