i'm a religious jew, and i think the claim that you'd be happier if you weren't religious is not at all borne out by the data. People who practise a religion score way higher on measures of meaning fulness and purposefulness of life, and also happiness,. So it's not born out by theData. A crystal worship is probably deeply superstitious, but what we have to get into here is both a philosophical and theological question. That would take us too far away from traditional inquiry called metaphysics. We're gong to get to the university as well. But let me just try to take a a contrarian approach to these issues of spirituality that you're talking about.
Philosopher Jennifer Frey of the University of South Carolina talks about the state of the university in American education. Frey urges a stronger focus on virtue and human flourishing and a reduced focus on career preparation. Roberts, despite his sympathy with the examined life, challenges the virtue of philosophical enquiry. At the end of the conversation, both guest and host defend philosophy.