Is It Going to Fade?

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i think there's two inderestinct pirical predictions that are potentially at play here, so i'm wone o set us out. The first is that you're saying, if this is a kind of religion, then it's much less likely to fade. But for example, catholic countries like france, or non christian countries like japan should remain pretty immune to it. In terms of what i see at this point, the problem is most acute in canada, england, mainland, scandinavia, germany. Those are the places i hear the most from. So their rumblings in brazil. Couldn't tell you exactly why,

John McWhorter is an author, a member of the Persuasion Board of Advisors, a Columbia University linguist, and a columnist for The New York Times. His latest book, Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America, argues that we must understand wokeness, quite literally, as a religion.

In this week’s conversation, John McWhorter and Yascha Mounk discuss the nature of today’s social progressivism, whether it constitutes a religion, and how we can actually help to reduce racial disparities in the United States.

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