“Don’t just believe that things work, actually find out how they work and ask the question, can they work better?”

This has been Max Levchin’s constant pursuit since childhood, leading him to build PayPal, HVF, and Affirm, a perfect example of where engineering meets entrepreneurship.

In this episode, we explore what it takes to begin again after success and how Max Levchin’s relentless pursuit of optimization has defined two decades of fintech innovation.

We also get into:

• how a cryptography thesis became a fintech revolution, PayPal

• the psychology of merging with Elon Musk’s X.com

• why founders are idealists and investors are cynics

• how Max measures success in human lives improved

• and how America’s entrepreneurial DNA became its greatest competitive advantage

This episode was recorded on October 24th, 2025.

00:00 Intro

12:28 The PayPal Story

32:30 Founder CEOs vs. Hired CEOs

43:49 Entrepreneurship

48:47 The Media Industry

55:53 Credit Card Debt in the US

01:06:03 Affirm's Business Model

01:09:01 Challenges and Ethics in Lending

01:24:31 AI and Underwriting Models

01:32:51 Crypto and Stablecoins

01:46:26 Closing Remarks

ABOUT US:

We’re proudly sponsored by Brex—a brand I co-founded, now supporting over 30,000 businesses like Anthropic, DoorDash, and Scale AI, helping them make every dollar count.

I’m grateful for their continued support as I bring you all conversations with some of the most exceptional founders of our generation. For more information, please go to: https://www.brex.com/?ref_code=bmk_audio_HDinHD

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