I don't ever talk about specifics because I've got to have a lot of respect for my old colleagues and my outfit. But it's the same thing. There are many, many opportunities to misread somebody's intent or not find any point of leverage with an individual that you may be talking to. It's a very heavy lift to do within the intel world to develop and recruit somebody. And that's a tough thing if you don't genuinely enjoy dealing with people.

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