In this episode, we're diving into Jon Atack’s new book "If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming" - an exploration that connects the dots between various authoritarian movements, their shared origins, and the psychological dynamics at play.

Jon spent nine years as a member of Scientology before becoming one of its most informed critics. He's dedicated decades to studying destructive groups, helping former members recover, and understanding how these organizations trap and manipulate people.

In this conversation, we'll explore the fascinating connections between 20th-century cults, the New Age movement, and figures like Madame Blavatsky. We'll examine the psychological underpinnings of authoritarian systems and why certain leaders seem to change their doctrines at whim while maintaining control over their followers.