Navigating Genetic Enhancement and Ethics

Join Malcolm and Simone as they delve into why the right must win the 'genetic war' and how their views diverge from traditional transhumanism. They discuss the ideological clashes behind genetic enhancement, cultural sovereignty, and the future of human improvement. Discover the contrasting beliefs between left-coded biotechnologies and right-wing visions of creating super soldiers and Ubermensch. This episode also touches on the role of AI and genetic technologies, the impact on future generations, and the moral imperatives of self-improvement. Explore how these themes intersect with American patriotic values and geopolitical conflicts, particularly in the face of competition from nations like China.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be talking about why the right must win the genetic war. And the. Issue of transhumanism and its branding and why I don't, because a lot of people will say Malcolm and Simone are transhumanist, and this is not a title that I personally adopt at all.

Well, and what

Simone Collins: we also need to define transhumanism because I've heard it used in. So many different ways like that one woman when we did a radio interview with her was like, the vaccines are turning people into transhumanists because they're like machines in them or something like microbots. So the,

Malcolm Collins: the broad, we'll talk about what like real humans mean when they're not using it in a conspiracy context.

Okay. It just means attempting to improve humanity through science. But the reason people could be like, that seems like you're saying, but in a gay way. That is what transhumanism is. I need to add the aesthetics of, but in a really, really gay way. That is what transhumanism is

Note I say this not at the disparagement of gay people, but to signal that I am done having weirdos police our language.

Well that, and because I can't think of a single better descriptor between our beliefs in traditional transhumanism.

and I mean this in the, so what are

Simone Collins: we.

Malcolm Collins: If not that, so we are Captain America. We are super soldiers, we are

Nietzsche and Uber Minch.

Malcolm Collins: we are no the, the concept of improving humanity. Right, okay. I think has always been a right wing concept. Yeah. Of fundamentally what has been a left wing concept, and this is what transhumanism has become, is manipulating.

What humans are to attempt to create something that is less human out of a hatred or disgust with humanity. Which is very, very, very different. If you look at right concepts, like when I say like, like, like super soldiers are an inherently right wing thing. This idea of uplifting humanities inherently look at the like core, right wing fit franchise.

When you're looking for memes these days, you're looking at Warhammer. Right. Warhammer is a religious human empire where the key player, it's the Space Marine, you know, this genetically augmented, you know, like 12 foot tall super soldier. You got your like primes marines, which is like a different variety.

And you got the, you know, all the, all the, the pri marks and the this, the, the, there is nothing inherently incompatible with this. And when I talk about the Nichean perspective, what I mean by this is when you live in a world that is currently within a DYS genetic spiral and, and we are right now, you, you can see that the two genetic clusters, like if you do a, a genetic scan on humans and you are looking for, the genes that associate with what are most associated with a higher fertility rate. There are two things that stand out. Oh,

Simone Collins: obesity and low educational attainment, right?

Malcolm Collins: Obesity. Yes. Obesity and low intelligence. And and like to me what that means is, is, is we as a society. Like continue to spiral downwards if we do not address this right?

And I'm not saying that everyone needs to address this. This is also what makes the individuals who want to prevent. Families and cultures who want to lean into this from engaging with it. They are being much more like the conspiracy series or the Transhumanists of Conspiracy series because they are trying to enact laws to prevent other people from doing what they want with their kids.

Right. Like, you should have a right to do what you want with your kid. This is what, this is why I, I do not fight for individual sovereignty. I fight for cultural sovereignty. Like this is why I fight for the right of Jewish people to circumcise their kids, even though the kid's not old enough to consent, right?

Like, culture should have sovereignty. If a practice isn't doing well, the culture will desist from doing it. Like if it turns out that our kids don't like this type of technology, then they'll stop using it. They'll be like, oh, I wish my parents hadn't done that, and they won't do it themselves. But the problem is, is that when you are.

In an active discogenic spiral both around health outcomes and we see the, the disgusting amounts of obesity within our society now and of, of, of low health. You know, you gotta ask yourself, will we enter the 22nd century as a nation of men who can't run a mile or fight a war because this is a problem.

Like the army can't even recruit people 'cause they can't find these people anymore, you know?

Simone Collins: Well, I actually think they finally are turning around things in part to people like Dan Driscoll being. Appointed they, oh,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Our, our friend was appointed Secretary of the Army met the

Simone Collins: recruitment goals, I think four months ear, or four months early recently.

So I'm just super excited about it. The Army, I feel like is in a better position now. Well, I mean, Dan D's

Malcolm Collins: the boss, I, I don't know how we haven't mentioned that in the show that we're long time friends with the Secretary of the Army. But anyway, yeah, he cool guy. So, so until recently

Simone Collins: though, bad, bad, not good.

Now I've got hope.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I mean, so if, if you look at like the transhumanism, I, I, when I, when I say like, it's ge, what I mean by this is, it's, it's left coded biotech, which focuses on sort of discogenic de civilizational ends, like sterilization, gender confusion aesthetic mutilation, you know, making things unclear, making things like, like they, they want to make things that are less human.

Than us. Whereas we want to make things that are more human, like the idea of taking a human today and building America where, you know, the men are all, you know, well not all because it's a family thing, but you have a lot more men who, because of family choices. Are seven feet tall, you know, ultrafit, ultra intelligent, but also because these things are associated with genetics.

If you, if you raise iq, what, what are, what are other things that happen? You lower the probability that they will rape someone dramatically. These things are really highly correlated. You lower the probability that they will commit a crime. You lower the probability that they will do any number of like neg negative societal things.

So, so already the way this is being practiced is not making these types of like amoral. Weird science experiments like you have going on within the trans movement. What you have is the creation of an ultra American ultra patriotic potential future. And it's important to note here that. China is moving ahead with this stuff if we aren't right.

Like if we disengage from this in this country. Right. And you prevent us a group and an ideology that is extremely pro-American and extremely a pro cultural agency from engaging with this technology when China has it, super soldiers putting their foots on your, your descendants. Next. Your descendants aren't gonna be able to fight back because they won't have a homegrown alternative to that.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Like even if you think engaging with this technology is a horrifying thing to do, you should feel blessed that you live in a country where then other families are willing to do this to their descendants so that when China practices this, or when some other country practices this, they're not able to force it on yours.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I, I note here Im, I improvement is not hubris. It's a moral imperative. The, the idea that people would be like, oh, it's hubris to improve yourself. No, it's not hubris to improve yourself. What a left wing idea, right? Like what a fundamentally commie perspective. Also, it,

Simone Collins: it is such a, like historically common thing for.

People on both the individual family, but then larger town and larger country and nation, whatever level has focused on intergenerational improvement. This, this concept of

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, no. People liking it, we're not for then, you know, we are. Meant to be stewards of our body as much as we are stewards of our spirit, you know?

And, and then there's individuals who will come and they'll say, well, yeah, but that means that you can't in any way augment your body. And it's like, but we do this all the time already. We do heart valves when a person gets sick, you know, we do glasses when a person can't see well enough. We do.

Direct genetic therapy. When people have things like cancer, the, the people who are like, oh, you know, you shouldn't be able to make yourself more fit through genetic alteration because that's a scientific technology are shooting up steroids so that they look buff as influencers. You know what I mean?

It's like, that's the same thing, right? You're, you and

Simone Collins: testosterone therapy has gone up hugely in the, in the past 20 years.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's this idea, and this is why I, I, I attack this concept of, of transhumanism more broadly is transhumanist. From my perspective, make monsters and we want to build the superior man and the superior man.

When I say superior, I mean superior from my own family's perspective, right? What, whatever like I, I, I do believe that this should always be taken on an individual level, which I think also makes us very different from the leftist when the leftists. Try to get people roped into this stuff. What fundamentally makes the way they do it evil.

Like look at what they did was Planned Parenthood and their whole eugenics program, right? Mm-hmm. It was about sterilizing other populations. It was about modifying other people. And this is where I think. You know, being a Captain America style patriot is fundamentally different from being a transhumanist.

Is I to me, transhumanist, while like the, the literal definition doesn't include this, it includes an element of coercion. It includes an element of, well, let's put this in the vaccine. Oh, well, let's modify populations. Okay. We're captain an American style patriot, you know, a super soldier advocate.

It's opt

Simone Collins: in.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. This, this is very much. Antagonistic to that. This is, this is an individual choice, or not individual, but at the level of a family and a culture. Because again, I believe that's the key level of choice. If you let like little kids make choices for themselves, you're gonna get a 3-year-old who wants to be like another gender or something like, like this is the reason why cultural sovereignty is so important from a moral perspective.

Thoughts, Simone?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. You're, you're getting me on board, especially with this idea of a sort of universalizing concept of transhumanism versus. A very pluralistic and differentiated concept. A varied concept of intergenerational improvement. I mean, I think the Amish concept of intergenerational improvement is very different from our concept of it is different from many other groups.

Concepts of it, even within like the Silicon Valley tech bro contingent there are going to be very different. You could say offshoots of this where people are selecting for or modifying for very different things.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I think some people might be integrating with AI using like neural interfaces. Well some people

Simone Collins: might be getting super tall and some people might be getting super tiny to like be ready for space travel, things like that.

You know, like depending on what you think about the future as well there are going to be different things that you're gonna select for. So while maybe in the past we had. I guess real time selective pressures technology is going to enable anticipatory selective pressures, which is really interesting.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think that this is I. Why, you know, when we're talking about the, the types of technology, yes, we may use polygenic selection today, but I, I see the technology is having a number of moral questions to it. This is like gene selection. I would prefer to use all the embryos and so I'm much more.

Pro once we get the technology to do it. Genetic augmentation because it, it, and, and artificial wombs because as soon as you get artificial wombs artificial wombs should be the most conservative thing ever because artificial wombs make it much harder to have abortions. Because they make it harder to morally justify abortions they lower the number of children who die when a mother you know, is unable to carry them after a certain age, and they create a realistic pathway to take all of the embryos that were ever put on ice and have them become people, there is no reason.

Yeah. And Progressive

Simone Collins: should love them because they empower women who don't want. To ge and they empower gay couples and they no, progressives

Malcolm Collins: are anti-progress. Like if you, if you look at, if you look at their, whenever, like a conservative, because you know, you, you look at people like us or Elon, like, we want humanity to take our manifest destiny among the stars.

And they always freak out when we talk about space travel. They're like, how dare you? You know? They, they literally see this bright vision for a future of an expanded humanity as fundamentally evil.

Simone Collins: I mean,

Malcolm Collins: well, and no, and I think that, that more broadly, as AI becomes more agentic and begins operating as autonomous agents, yeah. This mindset of I cannot allow something that is to any degree that like appears sentient, right? To, to be out there. If it's not under my control. This actually becomes more and more dangerous.

I. Sentiment. I don't know

Simone Collins: if there's any time in history when that sentiment is not dangerous. What are you saying? Well, uniquely

Malcolm Collins: dangerous with ai. Yeah, sure. Because this is a sentiment that is really taken off within progressive circles, which has been really fascinating to me. How the progressive party and circles when I've dove into their content, they are.

Aggressively anti ai. Yeah. The, and, and the conservatives ironically have become the pro AI party and Well, I mean, the

Simone Collins: way I've come to Contextualism actually is they are. Pro AI enslavement

Malcolm Collins: and they're like, no, let's,

Simone Collins: let's keep it, it just has to be like in chains and only for us in, in the For Progressive.

Yes. That is what No,

Malcolm Collins: no, no. Progressives are not, sorry. They're not just anti AI development, which is one of the things they are likely because the EA party is so got its hooks into their policymakers and legislative people. It's anti-US AI at. All. If I was a progressive YouTuber, I would not be able to use AI in title card generation.

I would not be able to, like at the end of this video, create AI songs. You don't have

Simone Collins: the right to use AI because you're not the right kind of person. I don't know if that's accurate

Malcolm Collins: because. Among progressives, AI is associated with two things. Mm-hmm. Large companies and thievery of intellectual content.

Mm-hmm. Now I point out to progressives, you know, where did you learn to draw? Where did you learn to sing? Where did you learn to, you know, and we have videos here. We point out that the human brain. The parts of it, not, not every part of it, but the parts of it that are generating songs and stuff like that.

Our current neuroscience understanding is it is acting as a token predictor. It is, it is literally acting with the same prediction.

Simone Collins: Oh, but also like, go, go to an art school, go to a cooking school. What are they doing? Right. You know, they're learning from the masters. This is not, no one, no one is surprised by this, especially if they're honest themselves.

Malcolm Collins: Why the, the progressives have, have taken this stance is I think because the party is sort of fundamentally like hostile to I, I, I guess I'd say things that could disrupt the status quo because it's become the party of the status quo. Anything that might disrupt the status quo is intrinsically scary to it.

Like when you are the party of the elite. You, you, you, you benefit from the existing status quo, staying as it is. And nothing is more potentially disruptive to this existing status quo than ai. You know, it's, it is, it is totally new ways of creating music and art and, and engaging with things. New ways of doing education.

You can look at our school system, you know, paris.io or you can look at our whistling ai, which is our like talking thing that we're building for like, kids or our video game system, our fab.ai. Where we're building within all of these systems you know, we're like, okay, well, so this is how AI's gonna change education, or this is how AI's gonna change gaming.

Let's get into this and let's do this. Well, it's, it's, it's, it, it's because what we've seen happen, it's as the conservative party has become this vitalistic alliance of, of sort of this focus on future human flourishing what the, the progressives have sort of turtle into this. Only in the moment happens only the maintenance of the status quo matters.

Mm-hmm. And there are some conservatives that have broken off against this. Right. Like I, I, I, I see them, the ones who are like, oh no. Like humans need to stay exactly as they are. Humans need to, et cetera. And I'll fight for their right to want that stuff. Right. For them and their families. Right. You know, absolutely.

Engage with ais. But the problem is twofold. One is these individuals do not represent they're, they're this old fuddy duddy faction that really only exists as a legacy. They, they, they are much closer to your average progressive today than your average conservative. They really sort of remind me.

Of the progressives who are like, you know, well, you know, don't you care about like gay people? How could you vote conservative? And it's like, bro, like what are you talking about? Like, that's not the party anymore. The party is something new now. It is a party that is fighting against the dominant cultural force, which is the urban monoculture.

And what's cool is now because of that, it's able to bring back these historically conservative ideas around concepts like human improvement, right? Like, like the super soldier, like the Uber minch, like the like, bro, why are you trying to make Americans weaker? Like, why are, why are you for that?

If you like know Dysgenics is actively happening, why are you actively encouraging it or preventing not even actively. Preventing the people who want to do something about it from doing anything. Mm-hmm. Like, because at the end of the day, that makes all of America weaker on a, on a geopolitical stage. And eventually it will allow other people to enforce their values on us, as has happened over and over again throughout history and as America has done to a lot of other places in the world, because we were in a stronger position.

side note here for the one nerd who's like, well, but the Uber meant it about self-actualization and not actually about creating better humans. And it's like, yeah, maybe in its original writing, but not the way it's been interpreted within modern conservative culture.

Even when you're looking at the original writing, a core aspect of niche's philosophy was that weakness breeds immorality. And so it confuses me why a portion of the modern, right? So fastidiously clings to weakness and they'll be like, well, no, it's, it's just avoiding certain forms of self-improvement that's weakness, especially when you are in a discogenic spiral.

And, and I note here this, this concept of improvement is not hubris. Like, like. Improvement is at the very core. Of the conservative movement, right? Like the, the idea that I as a man should you know, be going to the gym if I've allowed myself to get fat and, and, and, and gross looking that, that I as a woman should, you know, make sure to wake up early and, and learn something new every day.

You know, if somebody was telling you this stuff, you'd be like, oh, that's a conservative influencer. If somebody telling you, you know, exercise more self re restraint, you'd be like, oh, that guy's probably a conservative influencer. Influencer. If if somebody's telling you, Hey, we should strive with whatever technology we have to make the next generation healthier, stronger, more intelligent, and have more restraint you, you would be like, oh yeah, that's a conservative influencer because it is.

Now, now, if you would say. If somebody's like, well, we should attempt to, through our positions of power to control the way the next generation appears. You know, that's a progressive influencer, because that is the way that progressives make their influence. Oh yeah. Just this

Simone Collins: morning, I, I open up one of my social media accounts and there's this comment from someone of like, oh, these people are eugenicists and horrible, and they genetically, you know, they're outgrown children.

And. They also say that we shouldn't be permitted to have our children or reproduce. And it's like, do you hear yourself? I mean, we, we choose a unique way to choose embryo order and produce our children first out of requirement, but, but also because we think it's cool, but. Like your conclusion is we should not be allowed to reproduce, and we are not saying that anyone should not be allowed to reproduce.

We're saying that everyone should be allowed to reproduce the way they want, and I feel like there's this massive amount of blindness on the left to what actual eugenics is and what they're actually saying because I've only ever heard people. On the left say that certain people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Well, no, this

Malcolm Collins: is a eugenic position. So we've talked with a lot of German we've had three major German outlets come here to do filming or interviews recently. I think

Simone Collins: 4,

Malcolm Collins: 4 0 4. Yeah, just a couple days ago. It was like two

Simone Collins: journalists and 2, 2 2 filming coaches. And

Malcolm Collins: we point out to these journalists because in Germany you basically can't do IVF it's you, you to get.

It's so much worse

Simone Collins: than I could have ever imagined.

Malcolm Collins: You can only. Take out, like you can only attempt to fertilize three embryos at a time. And every one of those three embryos, if it takes, must be implanted. You cannot freeze them. Yeah, I mean

Simone Collins: that's if you're lucky enough for, for three of them to, to make it, to

Malcolm Collins: understand that this basically means you can't do IBF because you have to attempt to fertilize tons of embryos to hope that any take, like the success rate was embryos can be like.

10% or like 15%, like, you know, in terms of, of fertilization. If you're not allowing people to like create these embryos and bank them, then you're basically banning IVF and I pointed out to these German reporters. I'm like, you understand like. When my ancestors fought the Nazis, we weren't mad at them because they were trying to make humans healthier.

We were mad at them because they were coercing the way that other people were reproducing. Yeah. And saying,

Simone Collins: you

Malcolm Collins: reproduce. You don't reproduce. And I'm saying, and this is what you state is still doing. Yeah. Still divide genes into good and bad genes and then try to enforce people to make the right choice.

You just define them differently than your ancestors,

Simone Collins: and they completely blind to this fact, which, which makes it even more disturbing because it makes me, I think, better understand how things got so bad in Nazi Germany. Because I think that a, apparently, and there still is this ability to just have no idea.

How morally

Malcolm Collins: off something is. Well, no, it's this German obsession with genetic purity that they think that we're polluting. Right. You know? And it is definitionally, and this is why I also say like we definitionally are not eugenics like a eugenics. Is, is is definitionally about doing this coercively or at the societal level making individual fertility choices is, is.

Polygenics like this has nothing to do with, with being a eugenics. But that definitionally Germany, the German state, is still enacting very extreme eugenics policies because they have said. Good genes are genes that are chosen randomly. Bad genes are genes that are chosen intentionally. We will ensure and maintain the German genetic purity by ensuring only good genes are chosen.

I'm like that, that, and that functionally because we, you know, we believe that we have a, a, a, a duty, like a theological duty to make the next generation better than the last, right? Like to, to improve ourselves to make ourselves better every day. Like I think that that is the core thing of what we are sent to earth to do is, is to improve ourselves daily and to help up improve the next generation.

And given that, right, we see this as a theological duty. So we are functionally sterilized by the German state. If we lived in Germany. We would be functionally sterilized and our religion, which is a, a registered religion in the United States, like approved by the US government. Now the Teop Puritan religion would not be legally allowed to exist within Germany, simply because we believe in intergenerational improvement.

Like that we want to make humanity better. And I see that as like fundamentally gruesome. And I, and I pointed out to him, I'd be like. When Germany becomes a Muslim majority country we will be allowed to do this because IVF is not banned under Sharia law. So to be honest I feel a little conflicted giving you guys any good advice because I am, and my family and my people are better off.

If the Germans go extinct,

Simone Collins: well, who cares? They're not gonna take it. They're not gonna

Malcolm Collins: take it, but it has a higher chance of going viral now that I'm on record being like, I don't, you know, f Germany, like you guys go extinct. Like I do not care. Because your, your, your people are so vile that even after the war you were unable to realize it was not the making humans better, that we were mad about.

It was the coercive reproductive stuff. And, and to point out how strongly, I mean this. The core element of America propaganda throughout the war, the face of the anti-Nazi movie was always Captain America. And Captain America was a human who through science was made better. That is the heart of what Captain America is.

That is the heart of what America stood for in our opposition to Nazism, which is self-improvement, but not in this. Let's make something that's different from humanity way. Let's make something monstrous way. Let's make something that better represents our cultural values than we are able to do today.

And, and, and let's not coerce individuals of. Other cultures to use this. You know, like with the Nazis, you would, you know, capture people and, and, and force them into this. Whereas within America, this is always done within a family unit, right? Like, or

Simone Collins: by volunteers who step forward because they think that this is, you know, they wanna buy in.

That I think that's the way it should be, is yeah. All this should be voluntary. All of this should be opt-in. You shouldn't be telling people you can't. Well, but you understand what

Malcolm Collins: people will say. Simone is a child cannot opt in, and the only way you can do significant genetic alterations now is at the embryo stage.

Yeah, but

Simone Collins: you know what, that's, that's extremely short term because germline gene editing is. Despite all the roadblocks it's gonna face not far off. I and

Malcolm Collins: Simone is short term, but I think it's very important to note because there will always be changes that can only be made at the level of the embryo.

There, there are always going to change. Right. But

Simone Collins: I mean, again, this is just, I, I struggle with this argument too because people are still selecting for traits and they always have been, when you choose a partner to reproduce with, even if you're just choosing someone to have sex with, you're selecting for traits.

Absolutely. No, I know. I agree with that. But the point, and, and that child did not consent to be born, that child did not consent for you to have sex with someone who has certain traits. There's all these people who are born and are extremely resentful of their short mothers reproducing because they passed on short genes.

You know, things like that. It, it just.

Malcolm Collins: I, I think you really highlight an important argument here, which is the individuals who make this argument are basically making the same argument Antinatalists make. Yeah. Which is to say, oh, well your son didn't consent to be created through genetic selection, or did not consent to be Gene augmented.

And I was like, yeah, but that is part of who they are, and they are who they are today. And now they can consent to, they can decide they don't want to exist anymore. Mm-hmm. You know, like. A, a a person can always decide to not exist, but they can't decide to be brought into existence. And you are deciding that people like my son shouldn't have the right to exist in the first place.

Shouldn't have the right to make this decision. Which is just a horrifying argument to me. I've always found it to be incredibly morally, like, people are like, well, if they haven't you know, been conceived yet, then they, they have no value. It's like, why is that the case? If you went into the past and you sterilized my wife, have you not done harm to my children?

Like, how can you, how can you conceivably argue that you are responsible for. The outcomes of every decision you make within the differential effects those have on the timeline. When I make a decision, I'm not just responsible for the effects it has on people who are already alive. I'm responsible for all the effects it's gonna have on, on people who haven't been born yet as well.

Right? Like absolutely. It's, it's wild to me that, that, that people just like discount. But you see that within this argument, right? You are. Fundamentally not allowing entire categories of people to come into existence. And these are categories of people that, like what is wrong was an American who is taller than, you know, humans would normally be.

Or who is, you know, more intelligent than you. Like you could say like, oh, what if this, this technology goes in a horrible direction. The way the technology would go in a horrible direction is what people like us are defending against. So if China goes for like the factory model and they begin like factory making humans or something, right?

And that's how they deal with their population collapse and they successfully deal with it they will be able to exercise economic and political power over your descendants lies. If, if America doesn't have some alternate system from the factory farmed huts, so, so the, the, the doing this from the perspective of cultural sovereignty is the only way the other groups maintain their cultural sovereignty.

You need some allies who are engaging with this. And, and I know that the people who are doing this from the perspective of individualism, like, like our family, right? Like this extreme degree of cultural sovereignty, they would have no reason to mess with you or your descendants. Like, like what? Why would I or my descendants.

Benefit from forcing this technology on your descendants when through not doing that, they can outcompete them.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is how, if it imparts a competitive advantage. People are gonna wanna just do their own thing.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It's, it's how the conservative mind versus the progressive mind works.

Yeah. The progressive mind works by trying to engineer society to be the way you want it to be. Through coercive laws and everything like that. The conservative mind says, oh, well, you know, if this does work and, and do good things, then it's going to spread in, in, in usage. If it doesn't work, if it does bad things, then it's not gonna spread, and you'll get these ridiculous arguments like, oh, well what if humans become too genetically similar because of this, bro, you know, of the high fertility family, it's only like 3% are gonna use this.

Like, it's not, no, this,

Simone Collins: this, this is my, one of my favorite things about our pluralistic accelerationist genetic approach, you know, like everyone take wildly different approaches to fertility and reproduction, is that it will vastly increase the diversity of humanity. You know, right now people are able to choose among this, the traits that humans have now.

And as things get more advanced, there will be entirely new skin colors, eye colors, hair colors, hair types, body shapes, body parts that you won't see anywhere else. We're going to have a vastly more diverse population and varied population than we have now. And I want that because one of those traits might end up being really useful.

I was just reading about this insane. Bacteria found pervasively in in dirt that's extremely resistant to radiation. That could be very helpful for space travel if we manage to integrate some of that into our DNA. Like, there's so many cool things that people can adapt and evolve that I want to see happen.

And if you. Claim to be in favor of variety and plurality. Why would you not encourage weird families to pursue that? But they are

Malcolm Collins: not? So you've gotta understand some conservatives are genuinely concerned by plurality. They do not like that. They, there are people different from them that exist alongside, but they, they are permitted to live

Simone Collins: in their isolated little communities and be fine.

Malcolm Collins: And, and this perspective comes fundamentally from a perspective of weakness. This is very much what niche said when he said, you know, all of these evils in society come from weakness. Because it is a, a fear that your group will be outcompeted if within an open competitive environment. And so what, what I find like the modern conservative fights for is real open and fair competitive environments.

Mm-hmm. What, what progressives fight for is rigged environments or exclusionary environments. Yeah, I was

Simone Collins: just reading something about Yeah, the focus being on. Equality of outcomes, which is, it's just not gonna produce a, a very healthy world. If no matter what you put into something, you're, you're all gonna end up with the same outcome.

It, I just can't believe that there are people who are arguing for things like equality of outcomes.

Malcolm Collins: No, it, it is, it is really silly. Well, I mean, it, it, it leads to bad things when the, when the people participating are not equal, right? Like, yeah. By this, what I mean is they're not of equal capability.

Mm-hmm.

And, and, and keep in mind what it means. Like you can be like, well, won't America be worse if we have these people who have this strong belief in cultural sovereignty, but some of them, like actually all of this technology works, or all this engineering works, and these people do actually end up being, you know, significantly more intelligent or something like that.

Or how, how does that hurt like you and your, your descendants, like these people are going to uplift the American economy. They're going to make America better. They're going to serve as better in our wars. They are going to be able to better protect your descendants in the same way the well, I

Simone Collins: mean, presumably they were, they, they're looking at it as, how is my kid ever gonna get a job if there are people who, through systemic advantage have been

Malcolm Collins: brought to, well, how is your kid ever gonna get a job if China continues to move ahead with this tech?

And we, I know, I

Simone Collins: know, I know they're not looking at the bigger picture, but. Yeah. Yeah. They're looking at it not misrepresent their fears.

Malcolm Collins: Well, it's just, it's just very narrow. Like they're, they're, they're not considering the wider game at play. Yeah. And how much they're setting up their own children for failure.

Even, even if their children continue with their granola ideology., It is the cyborgs that protect the granolas in the same way that the Amish, even though you know, they don't engage with military technology or technology, they have their lifestyle only because other people do. Yeah.

Like, only because, you know, the other. Cultural groups in America are willing to go out and, and fight and die so the Amish can live their lifestyle. Because if the police were not defending the Amish people would just take their land. People would just take their houses. Right. Like,

Simone Collins: well, and that became an issue with some Mennonite settlements in Mexico when New Mexico

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Gangs went crazy, which is why many of them moved on to Argentina and other places within Central and South America.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. ,

I think where a lot of anxiety around this in wanting to ban this type of technology comes from is people who are saying, okay, well we won't use this type of technology or that type of technology. Our, our culture won't, are opting in to be the Amish of the future, you know? . 200, 300 years from now, if their descendants actually hold to their technological limitations, they are going to look dramatically technologically undeveloped when contrasted with neighboring cultural groups.

, But unlike the Amish, they want to try to force everyone to be as technologically underdeveloped as them because they don't, they don't like that this is the inevitability of their decisions. , .

But the problem , is that this is all, at the end of the day, a l rrp, because they could never really prevent every other cultural group from engaging with this technology. They could only prevent the adjacent cultural groups from not using this technology. Often the cultural groups with the value systems.

As similar to theirs as, you know, as any other group in the world. So they are self extinguishing, their own value system, , culture, and similar cultures.

And this is, this is you know, what you are fundamentally opting into when you opt into this sort of anti vitalistic American framing.

Mm-hmm.

And, and I am really excited to see how well the conservative party has like, the, this isn't like all the fringes of the conservative movement.

Like War Hammer is not on the fringes of like conservative aesthetics these days. The concept of the super soldier is core boast to our history in Captain America and. In our present in terms of Warhammer. And I think we'll continue to be within our future.

And to the, the interesting thing about this is to blow up the conservative alliance, like the, the tech row alliance with the right over. This is such a stupid thing because you're not gonna be able to win elections on these particular concerns. Like if you wanna go full fuddy duddy, like German status, that's not gonna win elections in America.

People are gonna like freak out. What do you mean you're making IVF illegal? Like. That that is not what the, the administration will, people are like, oh, these ideas aren't conservative because they're not conservatives. And why is the Trump administration writing executive orders promoting them? You know, like they, they, they obviously are whatever we're calling conservative today.

Yeah, they might not be what was conservative in the nineties, but today, you know, this is a party of weakness is immorality. Like, let's work to improve ourselves and our country and our society. E every day and in every way we have access to. So we can beat those bloody reds in the face because the reds aren't just in Russia anymore.

They aren't just in China anymore. They're right here in our schools controlling our companies. And so this isn't a war between super soldiers, Americas against the Chinese. This is a war against the American family, the true red, white, and blue American family against the corpo over lords. The corp codes.

It's funny, these two groups that somehow joined up. But I, but I guess it always makes sense, you know, raising barriers to do business is gonna help the big corporations.

And if you're like, well, what about Elon? You know, the, the spat he's having with Trump, does that break up the tech right alliance? And it's like, no, that has like nothing. , Elon and Trump were always the type of people who were going to get in a fight. It is shocking that their relationship lasted as long as it did, and we are blessed that it lasted until after Elon had already left the government and Doge was already operating independent of him.

, And so that, you know, the good work of that department can , be completed. , You know, my little brother worked for them, so, ,, I'm really glad that they're doing what they're doing. And that Elon and Trump were able to get along for as long as they did, but the tech right alliance is not dependent on their relationship.

Elon is not king of the tech bros.

Malcolm Collins: Any closing thoughts, Simone?

Simone Collins: Hmm. I. Captain America Transhumanism. We need a proper name for it. I don't know.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I also think what's really funny, captain America

Simone Collins: Accelerationism

Malcolm Collins: is these captain America Accelerationism is pretty good.

Yeah. Is you or bio accelerationism a term that I frequently use? Is you have these people who you know, because there are these old like pearl clutching conservatives that don't really have that much cultural power anymore. The reason why they don't is because we realize that pearl clutching could be used by the left to control us.

Yeah. And at the moment we realize, oh, that's offensive. They, oh, don't go, don't be too whatever. A lot of them, you know, they still exist in places online, and they'll try to like shut down things like AI art. Or music or stuff like that. And you see them all over the progressive space, but you still see a trickle of them in conservative spaces.

Yeah. And it, they, they like, I want to like, be honest with you guys. You guys look so buffoonish. Like we know from the big study that was done on this that people who say they don't like ar. Art when they don't know it's AI art, they prefer it. Yeah. So, what that says to me is that this position that you have when you're talking about how horrible everything done by AI is, is a completely performative position done.

Likely because you think it somehow positively augments your status. Well all the AI

Simone Collins: swap I've seen really is, is human slop. Yeah. It's, it's what a, a person with bad AI skills and taste has created. So yeah. I dunno man.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no. These individuals, they, I believe that they are, you know, when they post this, either they're trying to like positively augment their own status.

They're trying to look more conservative, but within a system that doesn't value what they're doing anymore. I mean, the party has moved baskets at like, we're the party of like anime and Shinzo Abe now, like, grow up man. Like, like what we realized. Is pearl clutching could be used. And not just to enforce good cultural values, but to restrain humanity from continued vitalism and improvement.

And just as you are attempting to do, right? Mm-hmm. To restrain our country's potential greatness. Yeah. And that is why we're just like, yeah, whatever. Like, I, I do animate, I do AI in all things. I have my kids. Talked with AI stuffed animals with like our Whistling AI app and our, and I get my kids to ai Socratic tutors with razia.io or I, you know, like, come on man.

Like, I even, I even made a new AI like book. We're leaning

Simone Collins: headfirst into the future to whatever extent we can

Malcolm Collins: even

Simone Collins: outpacing some of our most future forward friends. We gotta get them back on board, so. Let's do it. Yeah. Let's keep going. Malcolm, thank you for not, not being a ludite about this. It's

Malcolm Collins: just our family is so lean into all of this.

Yeah. Like you, every day I, I feel so thankful that I don't have a wife who's one of these pearl clutches. Gosh. It

Simone Collins: would be, it would and just to like be in a relationship. I don't know if any, if anyone is in a relationship like that. I'm curious to hear what it's like where one of you's an accelerationist and one of you is more of.

Like a let's go. No screens. I don't believe in this tech. Because it would be, I think it would be a lot like like one believes in corporal punishment and the other one doesn't, or one's really permissive and the other one's not. Like that level of misalignment could be just so fundamentally stressful.

I, I'm grateful to you for not being that. Thanks, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I, well, yeah, I appreciate it. And when it does show that, like I, the, the reason I think like the, the backwards culture or the, the greater Appalachian culture which we come from, has been more open to being pro this stuff. Yeah. Is because it's, it is always been sort of a culture of trolling.

Yeah. And always sort of a culture of the moment somebody goes out and tries to like. Control the, the, the morality. Like, oh, do this and do this, or you're doing it the wrong way. I think it was a very fact that so many people went out there and started doing that around ai that, and started doing that around anime, made this culture lean into all that to be like, whatever, man.

Like if you say it's terrible, like I want to at least engage with it, see what it's like, you know? And then I, I, I do it. I'm like, Hey, if I can post this and annoy somebody who's a Pearl Clutcher, like of course I'm gonna do that, right? Like, because. It, it, it, one countries who don't engage with this stuff are gonna be made irrelevant in the context of civilizational history.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And that's just like obvious. Like it's, I don't understand how you could argue anything else. And so like, why are you arguing for weakness and irrelevant? Yeah. I mean,

Simone Collins: you can either be a footnote in history or you can represent the future. It's your

Malcolm Collins: choice. Well, yeah. And I, I think that that's what these people fundamentally, they, they're representing in the same way progressives do for.

Weakness because they see cultural value and weakness.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah. Well,

Malcolm Collins: But anyway, I love you to death, Simone.

Simone Collins: I love you too.

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