I think what we're looking at is a cellular automata, where again, as Lee described, there is just binary black or white squares and they only have local information. And you would think nothing interesting would emerge, but actually what we are looking at is something that I believe is called glider guns. So the argument here is, um, that has to exist on all this layer of infrastructure, right? And though it looks simple,. But then what I would make the argument, say what I think C A's are really simple and everywhere is safe. Show me how they emerge and substrate. Now, let's go to the origin of life where machine. Just any origin is good

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