Jamie Wiel: If you can bring someone else into a more expanded state, they want to do one of four things. He says if it's passive positive, like I just had that state experience, I want to stay more. There's the follow or the fuck. And then if it goes negative, it goes below the equator into some kind of reactivity or fear base,. The first thing would be to fear them. It seems to be the default for everybody from Malcolm X to MLK to Jericho.

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