There was a point close to seven, eight years after I had kind of removed myself from that church culture where I saw even then that myself and many others had thought of CJ in quasi mystical slash divine terms. And so why then does he exercise a particular role in you? There's the family connection. But what was his personal influence on you and why you had to deconstruct that? It's hard to talk about. Not because it's uncomfortable, painful, but because it's complicated and it's maybe something I haven't even worked through enough.

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