The mindset of marketing has changed a little bit because if you think of like the e-commerce months mindset, like the marketers job is to make it sale. It's more that a lot of B2B marketers, I know it was just like, oh, I need to just capture a lead and that's it. And that's why PLG and all this is, is hard for a lot of marketers because it's, you have to convince someone to sign up for something without a sales rep even involved in the process. People just like skill sets. The experience to do that in the B2B standpoint.

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