Cody: As an inventor, we often crave is a little more space to enjoy that process and get it out before it even starts. Pat: I think being a DE is the perfect editor because if you were a D.D., you don't want to be like, okay, this doesn't work and we need to get this done. And when you have the trust, you can actually get to the best idea. Cody: It's not usually done when the discernment starts. There's usually invention that needs to keep happening as the ideas are being discerned.