A lot of that concept, a big driver of that idea is, as as you know, nactural survival is man made. It's ansy political expediency. When you speak to people in kilburne or in your own communities, do you find that they've often taken that as fact? I think part of the challenge is, though, that when people try to build stuff, the models that they have for building ways of coming together themselves often produce this idea,. So this comes back to exactly what you said, wrightits really, it's very institutionallizens very institutionalized or the structure.

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