The Low Points of the Year

I think it's going to take a catastrophic weather event in this country where people die, quite frankly, and where homes and livelihoods and businesses are destroyed. That kind of level of catastrophic event is the only thing I think that's going to make people sit up and take this seriously. But even apart from that, what we do in this country will matter not a great deal in the context of what's going on globally. And unless the big industrial countries, the US, China, India, unless they get really more, a lot more serious about climate change than they are now, we're not going to move the dial on this. It just doesn't seem to be doing that.