Rob Joyce, NSA Director of Cybersecurity
The Lawfare Podcast
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Lessons Learned From the Invasion of Ukraine
The Ukrainians have come an enormous distance from when the Russians were able to take down their electric grid through cyber. They do things that improve their resilience like they really pay attention to the basics. The other thing we learned about was the difference between trying to defend yourself and getting the community to defend you.
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