Podcasts and Podcasting

"It's difficult for me to be more frustrated than the way I'm frustrated about Spotify and podcasts, which is a strange position to be in," he says. "If you can't make it work, you need to find a way to, a different way to make it work." There are people who make podcasts because they kind of went, fell backwards into that as part of their job,. often as a radio person, often as a writer, but they aren't podcasters at all.