i found it hard to keep focus on the big picture as to whether lidbunking in general was a reliable strategy, because i found myself thinking about specifics so much. A one thing that is in the flavor of historic de bunking isn't historical, but rather sort of personal rigt like the history of you as an individual. Like take clockwork orange. Here's an interesting case where the idea of the movie is to treat somebody's lapses in moral judgment by conditioning them and associating immoral acts with their own wrong missjudgment.