The central question for liberals and progressives is when do we stop liberating? When do we stop progressing and say, actually, we've done pretty well. Both sides have these sort of reverse and structurally kind of complicit problems. And so there are some who would say, look, we can recover liberalism. We've got to see this as a strange offshoot. But what you're seeing clearly is that old school Mill type liberalism rests on things like the no harm principle.

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