How Did God Use the Board?

I feel like that expectation of you've got it all together is what's impeding the growth of the church because no church will grow beyond its pastor. So I remember talking about that a little bit, like Jonathan at some point had asked me for some advice. And I said, I think you have to be comfortable talking about this with your elders and they're either going to embrace it and help you guys through it and grow with you. That will mean the church has a brighter future or they're going to go, no, we only want happy, perfect people here. We need to shut that one down. It took us four and a half years to know who you are and what