Max Tegmark and Dean Ball debate whether we should ban the development of superintelligence in a crossover episode from Doom Debates hosted by Liron Shapira. PSA for AI builders: Interested in alignment, governance, or AI safety? Learn more about the MATS Summer 2026 Fellowship and submit your name to be notified when applications open: https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr. They unpack the Future of Life Institute's call for a moratorium until there is broad scientific consensus and public buy-in, contrasting Tegmark’s precautionary stance with Dean’s emphasis on experimentation, competition, and practical policy hurdles. Listeners will get clear takes on p(doom), the limits of FDA-style regulation, unilateral ban risks, and what safe, beneficial advanced AI might realistically look like.
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00) About the Episode
(05:43) Cold open and intro
(09:21) Opening statements: ban debate (Part 1)
(14:49) Sponsors: Framer | Agents of Scale
(17:11) Opening statements: ban debate (Part 2)
(17:11) Licensing-style AI regulation
(26:52) Liability, tail risks (Part 1)
(33:24) Sponsors: Tasklet | Shopify
(36:32) Liability, tail risks (Part 2)
(39:23) Timelines and precautionary regulation
(47:03) Defining superintelligence and risk
(52:26) Risk-based safety standards
(56:28) Current regulations and definitions
(01:05:23) Max's doom scenario
(01:19:46) P-doom gap and adaptation
(01:34:40) National security and China
(01:43:57) Closing statements and reflections
(01:55:22) Host debrief and outro
(02:02:10) Outro
