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The Convergence of Factions
Jeffrey Toobin: A lot of folks on the left in liberals, they think social movement is a term that belongs to us. But there's right-wing social movements too,. And when they happen, and we know this historically, it's because they're convergence of factions that would normally never talk to each other. So you've got the piety of the Southern Baptist Convention and Mike Pence combined with the deliberately transgressive sort of shock value of the Proud Boys. You have the lunatic conspiracy theories of Alex Jones combined with Supreme Court justices who, no matter how much I dislike them, are very powerful thinkers. He says if you want to understand Ron DeSantis, you go to