Nagle is not saying phenomenal subjective experience can't be explained in physical terms, therefore there are two kinds of substance. I think he thinks that it's possible that our subjective experience can be explained in material terms, but that we don't have any kind of theory to explain it. And so how would science even begin to approach that? How would a Martian be even approached what it's like to be Tamler? So is the idea that we can be misled? Like David, you might be misled into thinking that you can understand what it’s like to beTamler.

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