In this boundaryless conversation we speak with Indy Johar, architect and co-founder of Project 00 and most recently Dark Matter Labs (see his full bio here: https://about.me/indy.johar). Indy is really a great thinker when it comes to going beyond “corner shop” size social transformation initiatives to explore the next generation of institutions -  living at the edge between public, open and private.   We explore what he thinks will happen to organising, institution-building and human potential, as we move beyond an information age towards an era where building capabilities for antifragile institutions is key. Find out more about Indy and his work: >About Indy Johar, https://about.me/indy.johar  > Dark Matter Labs and its distributed team: https://darkmatterlabs.org/Team > Dark Matter Labs collaboration with EIT Climate-KIC on Longtermism: Reorienting mindsets towards long-term thinking and acting: https://darkmatterlabs.org/Longtermism-Reorienting-mindsets-towards-long-term-thinking-and-acting  > Medium series of Longtermism, https://medium.com/futures-in-long-termism/futures-in-long-termism-95f64710f9b2 > “Letters from Amsterdam” on how they’re organised: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/amsterdam-2019-2020-letter-to-our-future-dbd67a035ffe > Indy Johar, Good work is the answer…: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/there-is-nothing-wrong-with-the-consumer-society-as-an-idea-3c408b17ce  > Trees as Infrastructure, https://darkmatterlabs.org/Trees-as-Infrastructure-Rewilding-urban-forests Other Mentions and References: > John Vervaeke, Ep. 1 - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - Introduction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY > Danny Dorling, Slowdown (2020): The End of the Great Acceleration—and Why It's Good for the Planet, the Economy, and Our Lives: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B086LK5KSL/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Music by liosound.Recorded on April 29th