The Best Framework for Cross Platform App Development

Dan: Simon, you know, we've talked a bit about like ionic academy and galaxies.dev. So I'm a little curious where you would start the conversation about this. Like if somebody came and said, Hey, I do web development. I want to do some cross platform app dev. Where do we start? You keep that right up for him to offend somebody. He says there is no best framework; they all have a different purpose just like react and angular and view. They all have some ups and downs. We got some differences between them. But if you come from web development right now and you say, Hey, can I also build native apps, then it's