For the first five years before it was like a real business, even five and a half years, we had these three priorities. Number one was learning, and it was always in this order. Number two was our network, like get to know guests so that we have real relationship with those guests and use the podcast as a vehicle to expand that. Third was reputation, like influence. And then we would always specifically assert a non goal asmonitization,. because we were very confident that doing this would provide enough goodiness.

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