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Chris Duffy talks with Sufumeze Kundai and Tiffany Mugho of Hala Africa. They are known for promoting conversations about sex and sexuality across the continent. The first thing you need to do is let go of the bad ideas you have about sex, they say. After this quick break, check out another podcast that I want to recommend, All the Hacks.

Sex is a normal part of human life, but it can also get complicated–whether you’re having it or not! The way we approach, think, and engage with our sexuality varies widely our culture, community, identity, and more. But one thing we can all strive for is healthy and safe sex. Siphumeze Khundayi and Tiffany Mugo are two sex educators and the co-founders of HOLAAfrica (HOLAA!) a Pan-Africanist digital platform that focuses on creating spaces that deal with safe sex and pleasure. Today they share insights on the kinds of mental and emotional tools we can turn to in order to have great sex, why it’s ok to take small steps on your sexual journey, and why it’s important to take ownership of your pleasure.