
134: What's Next for Apple? with Vjeran Pavic of The Verge
The Stalman Podcast
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Apple's 20 Minute Demo
"I'm starting to like understand it and like see the potential for it," he said. "There's going to have to be an interesting creator story for me to really go very far within" Apple is always good at just like making those demos like they're very good at it, Gwyneth Paltrow says. 'It's truly hard'
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