So our last question, ecause, unfortunately, is, as i always discover, i could, i could talk to you for hours doing this, but we only have an hour. I love talk int you know, story telling often leads us to what we down tome should be working on, as well as what we should be working away from. What's somethingtt, you would like to shine a light on, and could do through yor story telling. Is there any particular kind of, like, how to make sure that we stay true to who we can be as humanity and stay away from, you to misfunction? Sther is er is ter, some kind of parting words of guidance? Well,

look, i mean, obviously, i think if you take away anything from this conversation is that i ihave nothing to say that you don't know already. But my instinct is that certainly on a daily basis, it not take much to find examples of people treating other people in an inhumane way. And we seem to be in a moment where people feel like they have license to, and are somehow made stronger by being cruel to other people. And i don't know what it is exactly, there are a lot of things that we could all sort of point and bring up that we all know, but i feel like, yes, you can find stories of people being kind, and yet those are never as loud as the stories of people being cruel. And i feel like we seem to have lost a level of acceptance and compassion and nuance that i think is critical for us to be friends, even if one of us is a republican and the other one is a democrat or to be friends, pending on, you know, if one of us doesn't look like the other. Um. And i get that we are in a crazy time, and i get that fear can give rise to all sorts of behaviour that is perhaps stuff that one might be ashamed of later, but shame itself seems to have gone away. And i guess i would just say, a story that reminds us that we are more like than not, that being compassionate and being good and kind to each other isn't a weakness, it's a strength. And that there are some inevitabilities that cannot be fought in terms of who we are andwhats so that the reality is we have to learn how to coexist, because we're not going to exist in another wayd and so i just, i guess if i would say anything, it would is there a story that can be a drop in the bucket and help remind us the golden rule, just to treat others the way we want we want to be treated?

I literally cannot think of a more perfect beau on this conversation, the not only discover your own humanity, but discovers others and connect to it with kindness and compassion, i cannot agee more. As always, a pleasure an honor to chat with you, and i look forward to our next conversation. I

do as well. Thank you for having me really rally appreciate. That

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